2010年2月28日 星期日

[巴菲特班] 股債是同方向漲跌,非蹺蹺板

網誌: 巴菲特班 洪瑞泰 (Michael On)
文章: 股債是同方向漲跌,非蹺蹺板
連結: http://mikeon88.blogspot.com/2009/10/blog-post_14.html

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中期公債ETF(BIV)與道瓊走勢圖















高收益債ETF(JNK)與道瓊走勢一致














(感謝吳百正桑的討論及提供例子)

以上是二張債券基金ETF價格走勢圖
可以看出2008年股市行情不佳時,
債券基金價格也跟著走低
兩者是同方向,不是相反
圖一,公債價格跌得比較慢,幅度較小
圖二,高收益債則與道瓊一致

所以當股價漲高了,把股票賣了,
錢擺在債券基金一樣會跌

這個道理很簡單,
股票跟公司債都是公司的籌資工具,
只不過一個不用還錢,一個到期時要還。
當公司獲利變差了,只有股票跌,
公司債反而上漲,可能嗎 ?

政府公債跌得慢與跌得小則是因為
大部份時候的下跌只是景氣或個別公司的因素
嚴重到國家風險的時機較少

公債不是永遠都跌得少,
還不出外債時,拉丁美洲國家的公債就曾跌翻掉


高收益債券跌起來有時候也很嚇人,
可能跌掉 6-7 成以上。

另外,我對投信業把垃圾債券稱為高收益債券也很不能諒解
高收益債券就是投資體質比較差公司的債券
這種債券價格暴漲暴跌,等同在玩投機股一樣
玩投機債卻美其名為高收益,誤導民眾,實在很不該


From: 吳百正
Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 9:25 AM

我一直強調股票與公債具有蹺蹺板關係。

你能夠舉出實例,有某一市場在沒有信用危機的疑慮
或熱錢大幅進出之下,股票與公債呈現同漲同跌的嗎?


From: mikeon
Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 3:07 PM

問這一句話表示你已承認,
公債與股票會同步下跌,當國家出現信用危機時

國家為何出現信用危機 ?
<= 財政不佳 <= 抽不到稅 <= 企業獲利變差 企業獲利變差 => 股票、公司債下跌
國家信用危機 => 鈔票、公債下跌

所以公債跟股票是同方向,不是相反,不是蹺蹺板


From: mikeon
Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 7:38 PM

今年就是股價與公債齊漲,同方向
ML美國政府債GNMA今年來漲了5.02%
















From: 黃欽宏
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 10:37 AM

債券操作分兩大塊:RP和買賣斷
RP的意思和存款差不多,目前年息0.12%左右,幾乎是零利率

債券買賣斷就和買賣股票一樣,
債券價格受市場利率影響,
利率跌債券就漲,價格波動也不小

買賣斷比重高的債券基金,
價格也會因此波動,有高低起伏不稀奇

投資人認為債基只漲不跌,是因為他們以為債基只做RP…

通膨會壓抑債券價格,
但我認為聯準會的利率動向才是最重要的因素

2009年投資回顧

雖然在2008Q3提早買到貴的股票
不過2008Q4~2009Q1加碼之後(即金融海嘯階段)
到今年(2010) 1月6日, 將手中股票持股大幅減碼70%左右(即賣出70%),
剩下30%股票為高ROE, 股價未變貴 和希望長期持有的三檔股票

贖回獲利大約為6成~9成之間 (含股息股利)
其實報酬率還可以更高的...只不過是在2008Q3提早買的價錢, 讓很多報酬率都吐了回去

由這次的操作讓我有更深切的體會, 報酬率R%決定於 買進價 與 ROE%
我選定的股票ROE不是很穩定的A咖股, 要不就是景氣循環的龍頭股

但是只因為進場時間的不同造成報酬率有很大的變化
例如同樣買進台化, 一個在2008Q3買入 (股價69.8),
另一個在2009Q1買入(股價37.2)
如此一來, 報酬率就很明顯的被拉開

總觀這次的操作成績算很滿意, 操作的方法也就是
1. 選定好股票 ----> 這點沒問題, 已經list出清單, 21檔觀察名單大都為龍頭股與A咖
2. 遵守GDP理論--->等到低點再進場購買
3. 分批購買原則 ----> 這次的操作已經學會, 也了解到他的威力


接下來就先把贖回與獲利的資金 放在銀行寄定存9個月
根據GDP理論, 2010的Q4可能又是我進場的時機

另外就是多存一點錢, 備好子彈


[巴菲特班] 統一超的股價一直不便宜

網誌: 巴菲特班 洪瑞泰 (Michael On)
文章: 統一超的股價一直不便宜
連結: http://mikeon88.blogspot.com/2010/02/blog-post_3766.html

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From: mikeon
Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 9:58 AM

統一超的股價一直不便宜,
只有在2003年SARS期間跌到便宜價
從還原股價來看,
不等到便宜就買的報酬率是不高的
可是在SARS低點的報酬率竟高達211%(=120.3/38.7-1),
換算成年複利18%,跟預期報酬率估的14%相當
顯見我們算的預期報酬率是很重要的








[巴菲特班] 4Q09巴菲特減碼PG、JNJ,買BDX

網誌: 巴菲特班 洪瑞泰 (Michael On)
文章: 4Q09巴菲特減碼PG、JNJ,買BDX
連結: http://mikeon88.blogspot.com/2010/02/4q09pgjnjbdx.html

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From: mikeon
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 9:14 AM

4Q09巴菲特減碼PG、JNJ,為了籌錢併購鐵路公司BNI
這實在令人不解,
PG、JNJ的ROE很好,股價也仍便宜

新加碼BDX、IRM
BDX看來還不錯,IRM則不怎麼樣

「Becton 、Dickinson and Co. 製造並銷售健康保健專用、醫學研究及一般大眾使用的設備、用品及系統。該公司的經營業務由三個全球業務部分組成:Medical Systems(醫療系統), Biosciences(生物科學),及Preanalytical Solutions(預先分析技術﹞。」 ...Quote123















「Iron Mountain Incorporated 是世界最大的存儲和資訊管理服務公司之一。該公司是一個國際化全方位存儲和資訊管理及相關服務的提供商, 幫助顧客實施外包存儲管理。Iron Mountain 擁有多元化的用戶,包括超過半數的Fortune 500 企業以及爲數衆多的商業、法律、銀行醫療保健、會計、保險、娛樂和政府組織。」...Quote123














Warren Buffett's Berkshire Slashes Oil, P&G, J&J Stakes
Published: Tuesday, 16 Feb 2010 4:54 PM ET
By: Alex Crippen Executive Producer

Warren Buffett's Berkshire Hathaway dramatically cut its stakes last fall in two of the nation's biggest oil companies.

It also significantly reduced its holdings of Procter & Gamble and Johnson & Johnson.

The sales were probably designed to help pay for Berkshire's enormous $26 billion acquisition of Burlington Northern Santa Fe. That deal closed last Friday.

In its fourth quarter portfolio snapshot just filed with the SEC, Berkshire reports holding 37.7 million shares of ConocoPhillips [COP 49.95 1.28 (+2.63%) ] as of December 31, 2009.

That's down 19.7 million shares, or 34.3 percent, from Berkshire's holdings as of September 30.

Berkshire's stake in ExxonMobil [XOM 66.29 1.49 (+2.3%) ] fell even more on a percentage basis, dropping 67 percent to 421,800 shares as of Dec 31. Berkshire first reported holding about 854-thousand shares at the end of last year's second quarter. It then added another 422-thousand shares in the third quarter for a total of almost 1.3 million shares. Now only those shares added in Q3 remain as of the end of Q4.

Another significant decline: Johnson and Johnson [JNJ 63.62 0.90 (+1.43%) ]. Berkshire's holdings fell 26.5 percent, or 9.8 million shares, to 27.1 million shares. That's roughly the same amount Berkshire held at the end of 2008, following a big sale that fall to help finance Buffett's credit-crisis investments in Goldman Sachs and General Electric.

Berkshire cut its Procter and Gamble [PG 62.79 1.03 (+1.67%) ] holdings by 8.8 million shares, or 9.1 percent, to 87.5 million shares.

Berkshire also reports smaller holdings as of December 31 vs September 30 for:
Carmax: 8 million shares, down 1 million from 9 million (-11.1%)
Gannett: 2.2 million shares, down 1.2 million from 3.4 million (-36.1%)
Ingersoll-Rand: 5.6 million shares, down 2.2 million from 7.8 million (-27.6%)
SunTrust Banks: 2.4 million shares, down 0.7 million from 3.1 million (-22.1%)
United Health Group: 1.2 million shares, down 2.2 million from 3.4 million (-65.4%)
Berkshire's sales of its entire holdings of Union Pacific and Norfolk Southern had been reported by Buffett himself in an interview with Charlie Rose just after the BNSF deal was announced.

It wasn't just selling. We did see some increases, including a few enormous percentage jumps.
Becton Dickinson: 1.5 million shares, up 0.3 million from 1.2 million (+25.0%)
Iron Mountain: 7.0 million shares, up 3.6 million from 3.4 million (+107.6%)
Republic Services: 8.3 million shares, up 4.7 million from 3.6 million (+128.7%)
Wal-Mart Stores: 39.0 million shares, up 1.2 million from 37.8 million (+3.2%)
Wells Fargo: 320.1 million shares, up 6.7 million from 313.4 million (+2.1%)
Total market value of Berkshire's reported holdings as of December 31: $57.9 billion, up $1.4 billion from $56.5 billion as of September 30. That's an increase of 2.4 percent.